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dane momma |
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Hey all! My gal isn't from champion lines (that I know of -- still waiting on the pedigree), but I wanted the nasties on her conformation. Not looking
for "pretty dog" or anything; I want to hear from you all what I'd hear from a judge in the show ring if I was able to get comments. I'm not
really expecting her to be show material, coming from a BYB and all, but figured that it wouldn't hurt to find out what you all thought of her. The back
of her skull is where her collar is; the pic makes it look like part of her kneck. She didn't like me holding her that way as she was excited to be out
front and all -- she hasn't had all of her shots so we normally only have her in the back yard as we have a stray rotty that runs the neighborhood
whenever his owners forget to feed him. Oh . . . and ignore my knobbly knees!
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RingsRoyalDanes |
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She has topline issues to start with. I would say give her time to grow though that might change. I just have to tell you this though. "most" people
who show would probably ignore you if you brought her to a show. It is sad but true most of the time. These people are very much invested in the breed and care
alot about the bloodlines etc.. so if you came to a show and knew nothing about the bloodlines they would be quite mean to you I am sure. I am interested to
see your pedigree though. I hope you don't think I am being mean that is not my intention I just want to tell you like it is.
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bluedanemom |
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It's difficult to see her with this picture. The camera angle is pointing down so you get more of a top view than an side view. Try having the camera
person stand farther away. Since she's still little, they will most likely have to kneal orsquat to get the straight on side view.
Technically, only dogs entered in the show are allowed to be on show grounds. I would meet up with some Dane people from your Dane club at their next show and have them help you learn conformation by watching the judging. |
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dane momma |
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I know she doesn't have a champion pedigree, and I don't expect to get much respect for her at shows. I have been looking into a full European
bloodline for my boy; I sent in an application to the breeder but I haven't heard anything back yet. All the dogs are OFA certified, and the dog I'm
looking at for his daddy is hip, elbow, thyroid, cardiac, and patella certified.
As far as people being "mean" to me at a show, I don't really care about random people there -- opinions are belly buttons and everyone has one. All that matters is what the judge thinks. Can you tell I'm used to being an amateur that turns around and wins the championship? I've done it myself a few times, is all. If nothing else, I can take her to a show, not to try and win her a championship, but just use it as another socialization exercise towards her therapy dog certification. I think it would be a fun new experience, and would give me a shot handling her in the ring before I get the boy that I want. I am looking possibly at a pup out of these parents. Has anyone had any experience with them? And should I be concerned that the health guarantee ends at two years? |
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bluedanemom |
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Honestly, if you're looking to show in America, I would get something american bred. The European look is not widely accepted in the ring here. Plus, those
dogs aren't shown, so you're not likely to be successful in the show ring. This statement bothers me: "*****'s hips look great on x-rays, and
she is OFA heart and patella certified". If her hips look that great on xrays, she should be certified in that too! I didn't see on the site where all
the dogs are OFA certified. That's a red flag to me. Alot of people think that if at least one parent is certified everything will be great, but that one
parent is only half of the program! As far as the guarantee, I don't like anything under 3 years because most problems and such can't be tested for
until 2 years.
Again, get in with some dane people and when you find some you trust, then ask their opinion of your girl. Of course, you'll always have people that just hand out opinions even when you don't ask... just take those with a grain of salt |
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fotodanes |
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Pretty dog.
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dane momma |
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Fotodanes, I would appreciate your thoughts on the breeder, definitely! Naomi will hit 3 months on the 26th. Last weight was 26.6 pounds, but that was about a
week and a half ago. We're going to weigh her tomorrow morning before I run to work. She gets her next boosters and her rabies next Friday. I suppose I
could take her for her rabies earlier, now that she's hit twelve weeks. I have taken Naomi out a few places; the duck/goose pond at Wal-mart (the geese
startled her at first, but she walked along normally after that, and she was near a lot of moving vehicles and handled it well) took her to Advanced Auto with
me and had her 20 feet away from a honking, whistling train, and while she alternated from one side of me to another, her tail didn't tuck and she was
looking at it attentively, but no barking or shying away. We've taken her to Petsmart twice (with her own blanket lining a shopping cart that gets bleached
once we get home), but there's not a lot of "low dog" areas that she's allowed to go. I got cursed out at by one dane lady by asking (while
handing her the sanitizer) that she sanitize her hands as she had her own puppy that she admitted she hadn't taken to the vet yet. People around here are
kind of crazy -- she wouldn't be the one paying the vet bill if she gave my dog parvo! Not that hand sanitizer kills parvo, but . . . yeah. I'm OCD . .
. people with adult dogs that are fully vaccinated I'm not as picky about, mostly just people with other young puppies. So Naomi has gone nose-to-nose with
quite a few full grown Danes (as all they have to do is stretch slightly to meet Naomi in her cart) and was much more active and attentive to her surroundings
on her second trip to Petsmart. She even handled walking by the kennels full of shelter dogs with wagging tail and sniffing nose. We've also had our
neighbor over a few times to get her used to strangers coming into the house. I think I'll invite one of hubby's friends over for dinner sometime this
weekend -- my other two dogs really clicked with him, even the one that doesn't like anyone that's not family, and he was upset that we didn't
bring the dogs to the beach today, plus it's someone Naomi hasn't met yet.
Fayetteville doesn't have its own dog park, so random dogs are literally everywhere as owners try to get them out and about. I was thinking about taking her on the river trail, as there's lots of runners and bikers but not too many dogs, but not sure if I should take her before her rabies shot, just in case, because there are a lot of squirrels and such in the area. We almost took her to a picnic this weekend, but when I got there, I was glad we only took our vaccinated dogs. Tons of dogs eight weeks and under there, and half the owners I talked to had never taken them to a vet. Including the owners of a 45 pound 6 month old Great Dane. That was sad and infuriating at the same time. They just blamed it on the fact that she was the runt, but so is Naomi, and she's only 15 pounds off the mark and she's half the age. Thanks for the comments on the Euros. I like the style, but I think I'll shop around a bit more. I'm still doing breeder shopping and reading and info gathering at the moment, so its very helpful to have points in the right direction. So I should look for all the same physical certifications, along with show histories (preferably champions) and 3 year guarantees? I'd also love a breeder that will help me into showing as well. It would be great if I could attend shows with them before I have a puppy, just to get the insider commentary on what's actually happening and the like. Here's a head-on shot for you guys for her face and such.
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fotodanes |
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I would not recommend doing rabies any earlier than required by law. Especially not at 12 weeks old. Check out Rabies Challenge Fund.
Socialization is very important, so keep getting her out and about. Those positive experiences and exposures to lots of new people and places is excellent for her. If you're interested in showing, I would recommend joining a Dane club and/or a local all-breed dog club. It's a great way to get involved, start learning about showing and start making some connections. Visit the GDCA website to find club contacts. Bev |
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dane momma |
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Unfortunately in my area, once a dog is 12 weeks, they must have their rabies. She's going in for them on Friday, and she'll be 13 weeks, 1 day old.
I was looking at breeders off of the GDCA website, and I found one in Virginia that looks decent. A lot of the studs people were using were coarse and didn't adhere to the standard -- their stud was 21st in the breed, but to me (inexperienced though I am and I could be wrong), he didn't meet the "square" standard for males and was longer, but that's only permissible in the females. He was very coarse through the chest and forelegs, and even 2 generations later, his progeny still showed that horrible chest. But, here's the breeder that I'm considering, though I still have a lot of questions for her. I'm not too happy with the Purina as a food, but she shows, has a lot of OFA certifications on those that are old enough to have earned them, and has Majors and Champions in her breeding stock. Unfortunately, her site is lacking in what sort of services she provides, though her Puppy Questionairre states that she'll crop, and will provide previous puppy buyer references upon request. I filled out the questionairre and put in quite a few questions of my own, asked for references (both from previous buyers and their vet), asked about a health guarantee, and a few other things I can't remember at the moment. I'm not sure if the lack of info in that area is simply an oversight, or hidden intentionally. I did say that I had husbandry questions and concerns as well. I'll write back with more info on practices and guarantees and such as I get the feedback, but what do you guys think of her dogs? Ellenni Danes EDIT: I found this on one of the puppy litter pages. I had thought that it was a different breeder that offered vacation boarding, but it was her! " This litter will be Futurity nominated and is expected in February 2009. This litter of fawn and brindle will offer fantastic temperaments, and correct conformation. Puppies will be crate trained, basic potty training, Micro-chipped, dew claws removed, de-wormed, and up to date on recommended vaccines. Marion and I can offer a lifetime of help and resources for all puppies/owners including, 24-hour phone help, vacation boarding and free recommended vaccines for the life of the dog. Cropping services will be offered for these puppies as well."
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fotodanes |
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>>A lot of the studs people were using were coarse and didn't adhere to
the standard
If they're a champion, some experienced judges are disagreeing with you.
When evaluating a dog, you have to look at the whole package, not just nit-pick a couple faults. All dogs have faults, so you're not going to find one without.
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dane momma |
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Oh, the stud wasn't a champion. Or, if he was, they didn't advertise him as such. Heck, if I had a champion dog, I'd brag to high heaven about
him!
Come to think of it, I can't seem to find the picture on their site that showed him with such a huge chest, but here's his grandchild. In the one shot, she doesn't look like much of a dane at all! Much too masculine. Cricket Caution taken, and I appologize. |
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bluedanemom |
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<<I would caution against critiquing too heavily from a novice perspective.
When evaluating a dog, you have to look at the whole package, not just nit-pick a couple faults. All dogs have faults, so you're not going to find one without.>> AMEN! First, it's easy to be "Kennel Blind" and not see the faults in your own dog. It's also very hard to see the dog as a whole and not pick them apart (which I still do at times to my boy). |
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RingsRoyalDanes |
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I like that harl puppy! Danes in my opinion should have big chests, big bone, large blocky head with lips. Those total dane traits, and without them they would
look like an overgrown lab lol I think danes should be both masculine and elegant.
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dane momma |
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If it was on a male dog, I would probably agree, but the standard states that there should be a definite visible difference between the genders, with the
female being slightly more lithe and feminine in nature. I wish Naomi had a bit more blockiness. Maybe I'll take another look at that breeder, but they
said that the litters won't be theirs; they're studing their males out but could forward us to the owners of the females, so it gets a bit complicated.
They had to fix one of their females for some reason, something they found out health wise, so they don't have any females of their own at the moment.
Most people can tell that she's at least part Dane now, but they ask what she's mixed with x.x. But, people that are a little more informed than the general dog admirer but not owner in Petsmart can tell she's a Dane now. Yay. Took her out to the lake and everyone knew what she was without asking, and was commenting on how beautiful she was. Might not be on standard, but at least she's still purdy. Jumps around a lot near busy roads, and we're working on that, but otherwise haven't found too much that phases her. She'll growl a bit if a bunch of hyper dogs start jumping on her and getting in her face (at least two or more in any occasion that this has happened), and I correct her, but I can understand the response. I'd back up and be rather unpleasant too if you got a bunch of hyper people touching me everywhere and jumping up in my face that I had never met. Any dog that will take time to sniff before playing she's perfectly fine with. Had a blast with the husky puppy at the lake. Guess it's just canine good manners to sniff before you play. |
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