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Posts: 31 10/02/2007 9:46 AM |
I posted this yesterday, but it disappeared when the forum format was changed.
I'm curious to know if anyone has experience using remote training collars (shock collars) with danes? What are the pros/cons? Any opinions? Thanks... |
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Irish Virus |
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Posts: 50 10/02/2007 9:56 AM |
I have seen them used and used them for the training of hunting dogs. I dont personally like them all that much. Think of it this way, would you rather teach
your kids math by explaining it out, helping them, being more nuturing and therefore bonding with the child. Or every wrong answer they get a good old smack in
the face. Yup love the bonds you would get from that, lol. Honestly though it is what works best for your dog. Ive seen dogs, and some will disagree that this
is never a worthy choice. But if you try everything else then it may be worth the attempt. But i would recommend only as a last resort.
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Posts: 344 10/02/2007 10:06 AM Alison
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I have only used one once and it was as a last resort with a extremely high energy dog with no impulse control. I felt awful using it and it absolutely was a
last resort. It worked as I was able to give him immediate and firm response (zap!) during an unacceptable behavior. It did diminish these behaviors somewhat
and after a couple zaps he only needed to have the training collar on and just the feel of that seemed to remind him to settle down.
I don't like them and I hope to not have to use it again. Alison      Alison and Major..................... great 1st year together! |
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Posts: 539 10/02/2007 10:14 AM |
Danes are the type of breed that are extremely sensitive to stimuli. Many shock collars, whether for barking, hunting, invisible fence, parameter or any other
type have to have a warning sound. Once they get shocked after that warning sound, that usually escalates, then the shock comes. With the most mild of
settings a Dane will respond. After that, they usually just need to hear that noise and you will have a Dane puddle cowering in the corner. That has been my
experience with them.
On that note, I don't recommend them. Nothing a little extra training can't do with out an evasive collar. It doesn't mean I don't feel their might be a place for them. But, I have only used it with dogs that are extremely aggressive towards people or dogs. Otherwise, I feel all Danes/dogs can be trained through other methods. |
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Irish Virus |
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Posts: 52 10/02/2007 10:56 AM |
I agree with shebangs it is a last resort an only for a action that requires major dealings with such as aggression. My big thing, is Im used to swatting the
nose and I read you really cant do that with danes. so that my difficulty
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Posts: 360 10/02/2007 11:00 AM
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Best thing we ever did with our last pup and now our curretn two was the electronic fence. You can't just put it on and hope for results. It was a week of
training to the flags first to learn the boundaries. We called in a special trainier. They then gave the dogs a tone and trained them to pull back at the tone.
They then gave them the tone and a very mild schock, more like static electric shock(Yes, I tried it on myself to see). Now, they hardly get to the tone, but
if they do, run the opposite way like the dickens. Have nevre seen them get the shock since the training. Just a tremendous peice of mind knowing thay won;t
wnader. Realize there are limitations such as animals coming in(lot's of fox, skunk, possum etc around here.) And, of course, we never leave the dogs alone
outside anyway. Can't vouch for a shock collar for behavioral training but I wouldn;t use it in place of good behavioral training.
ROCKY
My Tank & Moose Brothers 15 mos. old. DOGS ARE MIRACLES WITH PAWS 
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Posts: 361 10/02/2007 11:02 AM
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I think I'm dyslexic. Better start using speel check.
ROCKY
My Tank & Moose Brothers 15 mos. old. DOGS ARE MIRACLES WITH PAWS
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OwnedbyZoey |
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Posts: 33 10/02/2007 11:37 AM |
I have used the training collar and currently I use the electronic fence. I was forced to do this since my Chihuahua is an escape artist and he would dig his
way out. My Pit/Chow would get in the gardens and besides tearing them up, I was afraid he may eat a plant that would kill him. Dharma's collar came in the
mail today. She will be trained on it, using the flags and such.
I do not like hurting my animals in any way, but sometimes it may save their life. Dharma has jumped in my Koi Pond (just last week). This week the net will go on the pond to catch the falling leaves and prevent then from decaying under water and killing the fish in the winter. If Dharma were to jump in while the net is in place, she could get tangled and drown. I like my dogs to be able to come in and out as they please, and therefore I do not spend every minute with them outdoors. So this collar is the best for me. As I said, I had used the training collar, but this requires 24/7 supervision. When I am not home, I leave my back door open and the dogs come and go as they please. I would not be able to do this if I were training with a remote. As far as the pain of the shock. I tried it on myself because I would not want to do something to my dog that I would not have done to me. It doesn't really hurt, it more like scares the crap outta ya! That being said, each one of my dogs, upon being "zapped" for the first time, were afraid to go outside. This too passes. To be honest tho, if there is no danger involved, (Like when Tank, who we got at a shelter because he was a "runner", took off down the street. I was able to call him and then shock him when he didnt come back. It took two shocks and he came running back to me) I would just go with some change ina can. It works wonders as you give the can one quick shake when they are doing something wrong. I honestly believe that as long as you are training them, the manner is up to you. Just be gentle and loving, and if you must shock them, so be it. It may save their life someday, if they learn to listen to you. One other thing, since the shock really didn't hurt me, I would imagine it hurts my dogs even less, since their skin is so much tougher, as you can witness in their play together.
Wayne and Dharma (AKA Dogzilla)
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Posts: 192 10/02/2007 2:42 PM |
I agree with you I know this is comming from the person who thought pinch collars were cruel. Neelix is extremely stubborn and I got a shock collar for
christmas not for me for him and all it took was a couple of times at a low setting and he responded great. Now if he is acting up I just have to put it on him
and he behaves. And yes I tried the regular training methods and he just did not want to come when called now he does. I also tried it on myself to make sure
it would not really hurt him. After the first couple of times he responded to the warning tone. This said it is like anything else it is a matter of what you
like and the individual dog.
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Posts: 6 10/03/2007 1:31 PM |
If I were to use a remote collar what brand would you guys recommend? |
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DharmasDaddy |
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Posts: 3 10/07/2007 3:25 PM |
I believe the brand I had was Pertsafe.
Innotek makes a wide variety of collars and such, may want to have a look at them! Wayne and Dharma (AKA Dogzilla) |
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Sitdarnitsit |
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Posts: 527 10/07/2007 7:43 PM |
"Now if he is acting up I just have to put it on him and he behaves."
No offense but this is not a reason in my mind to use them..if anything its yet another reason NOT to use them. What if you are somewhere where you dont have the collar? Im not saying they are always wrong....but I dont feel they are a substitute for good old fashioned elbow grease and training. Sometimes things just take longer than we humans would like them to. Just my opinion. Hope I didnt offend anyone. |
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Posts: 213 10/07/2007 8:08 PM |
I tried the old fashioned training with Neelix some of the things work and some don't He would not come to recall if he was far away no matter what. I am
not without some background in dog training I was in a dog training club and did pet therapy also. Some dogs take different methods than others and I would
NEVER do anything that would damage my dog. Now it doesn't matter how far away he is all I have to do is say his name one time and the command come and he
comes. I agree they should not be a substitute for good old fashioned training but it was more humane to me than yanking his head off with a long lead trying
to teach him to come.No I am not offended but I have learned on this forum not to critize something until you have tried it for yourself.
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Posts: 545 10/10/2007 5:12 PM |
No critism intended just discussing. Too bad your feathers got ruffled, my apologies.
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Posts: 394 10/10/2007 6:36 PM
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Now, now. Play nice.
ROCKY
My Tank & Moose Brothers 15 mos. old. DOGS ARE MIRACLES WITH PAWS
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Leshia jo |
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Posts: 223 10/10/2007 7:59 PM |
My bad on the choice of words as far as critizing goes I was just saying this forum has taught me to be more open minded about trying different things for my
dogs that I wouldn't have tried before. My feathers were not ruffled but thanks for the apology anyway. Sorry if you took anything the wrong way.Oh and
Rocky I always play nice
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abtompki |
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Posts: 12 11/11/2007 9:03 PM |
We use an e-collar on one of our other dogs while hiking. We rarely even have to use the tone, let alone any stim. However, when we tried it with Caine he was
TERRIFIED, as is our Shar Pei mix. Caine is so scared of just the TONE that he ran into the swamp off of the trail and laid down. I had to go in and get him.
He was too scared to come back when I called him. That was the last time I used it on him and I won't again. I definitely think these collars can be
helpful - they definitely are for us because we hike a lot and need to be hands-free - but they are only helpful for the right dog. Not every tool works for
every dog. I have instead just taught Caine to obey by having him WANT to be WITH ME.
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Posts: 3 01/14/2009 9:12 PM |
I would like to weigh in here on this subject. I think that the e-collar is a great training tool and remote leash. I pretty much bought it in desperation
because Simon was getting out of hand with mouthing and biting. Mostly puppy play, but he would get too rough and I would get to mad/frustrated. Now, except
for the initial introduction of the static, I rarely have to use anything except the tone for a correction. He now responds admirably to voice commands but
sometimes needs something more, like the e-collar beep, to bring his focus back to me. Now he can be off leash, barely within voice range, and when called to
return, he comes immediatly at a gallop. We can walk offleash anywhere and he will not stray more 50 feet from me or bolt after any wildlife or other animals,
and returns emediatly to my side whe given the "come here" command. I take him with me almost everywhere I go when not working and he always has the
collar on. When he sees me getting the collar, he is excited to get in on, cause he knows we are going out.
While out with Simon we get asked all the time about his e-collar, and where they can get one. I really can't say enough how pleased I am with the results. I just wish I gotten one these e-collars for my other two danes (rest in peace) but was afraid to because of some of the negetive remarks. Alfred (arrio) Riopel
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lagatella |
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Posts: 502 01/15/2009 11:40 AM
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I believe personality plays a large role in training. My daughter's dane is very mellow, mine is extremely excitable and has been since he was a wee thing.
You can train for alot of things but not to change personalities (nor would you want to).
I can see a few instances where an e-collar would come in handy for me to establish calm by "snapping" him out of a mindset. By "snapping" I don't mean shocking but more a refocus. He does great with the invisible fence so the beep will definately get his attention. |
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