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Duke01222008	Is it reasonable? (Breeder Question)		Lead	[-]
Posts: 840 10/14/2008 9:16 PM	Tags : None Since Doug gave me okay for second dane into our home, I've been searching. I found this lady who have several puppies for sale born 9/22/08. I contacted her because these puppies are exactly 8 month apart with Duke and fell in love with the puppies when she send me the pictures. Soon as she write me back with direction to go see the puppies, Im going to visit. She told me she own both mom and dad but I dont think they come with papers. She got several harlequins, one merle, and 3 mantle looking puppies. Her price for the puppy is $800. She is willing to take deposit and make payment. I know harlequin from decent breeders are over at least $1000 or more. Is $800 reasonable for puppies without paper? Maya *EDIT~ Topic Title "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms." Last Edited By: PawZing 08/14/2009 9:49 AM. Edited 2 times.
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Sandhill Farm		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 496 10/15/2008 8:11 AM	I'd go and visit, Maya, and bring an armload of questions for the breeder. If she's reluctant to answer any of your questions, that's a red flag. There's an awesome post (I think by haleheq?) in this forum that has some sites that tell you what to look for in a breeder. 800 sounds really high for an unpapered pet pup. But go and visit, and bring a list of questions with you. Let us know how it goes! -Jen .............. Johann ~ 15 months.........Thoreau ~ 18 weeks...............Rudy (Coonhound) ~ 4 years
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Dugan1st		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2297 10/15/2008 8:32 AM *Alison*	That was the post Jen and it is full of great links and information, here is the link Maya. (I don't know why the link brings you so far down in this thread--the first response by heleyeg in this thread is what I am refering to) Does the breeder have any health screening documentation of the parents and possibly grandparents? $800 does seem high for an unregistered litter. That amount is often the cost for AKC registered "pet quality" dane pups. Alison and Major Last Edited By: Dugan1st 10/15/2008 8:35 AM. Edited 1 time.
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fotodanes		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12 10/15/2008 11:05 AM	I might be the odd one in this group, but I would not go visit the puppies. After doing rescue for years, I can't tell you how often I heard about someone going to "just visit" puppies and came home with one because they felt sorry for the pup and/or their heart melted (whose doesn't when seeing a pup? LOL). I'm hearing these stories while the owner is asking for my help (breeder is long out of the picture) in dealing with a serious health and/or temperament problem. Puppy breath can lead to rash decisions. I would not pay my hard earned money for potential heartbreak. I'm not saying that these pups will be heartbreak, I'm just saying don't go visit until you're more sure about the situation. Ask for documentation on health testing. Remember, there really isn't a bargain pup. You might spend less on the purchase price, but too many times that ends up costing people wayyyyyy more in vet bills. And, there is no price on heartache if something does go wrong. Granted, there is no guarantee in life and we are talking about living beings, however, I believe in stacking the deck in my favor when it comes to such a serious investment. I want to deal with a great breeder and health tested dogs. Nothing less. To answer the original question - no, $800 isn't worth the risk if you feel it's a bad situation. If the upfront price from a good breeder is too high, consider rescue. You might not find a young pup, but you can still great a wonderful companion....while supporting a great cause. Bev Last Edited By: fotodanes 10/15/2008 11:08 AM. Edited 1 time.
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Duke01222008		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 845 10/15/2008 6:34 PM	Thank you guys for the input! Im still waiting for hear from this lady. im hoping she will write me back with the answers to my questions soon. Maya "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms."
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gr8danlvr1		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 194 10/15/2008 8:16 PM	fotodanes: you are not odd one out on this one. If I'm going to give my very hard earned money to support ANY breeding program I had better get papers. They should also health test the parents and they should show their dogs. To me that is a good breeder. Otherwise, I would rescue. I mean, if the breeder doesn't health test then it is more of a crap shoot as to whether you will get a healthy long lived dog, so why not rescue. If you aren't concerned about papers then why not rescue? If you don't want to pay into the $1000's for a well bred dane, then why not rescue? Both my girls are rescues and I paid $200 for Venus and $150 for Isis. And after that very little sum of money I have the pleasure of knowing it will go to a worthy cause, not just someone who left their intact dogs alone in the back yard. I really didn't mean for this to sound harsh in any way so please don't take it that way. This is just something I feel very passionately about. Michele mom to Venus (6yrs), Isis (3yrs), Angel (8 yrs AussieX), Lestat (7yrs LabX)
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fotodanes		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15 10/16/2008 8:35 AM	gr8danlvr1 wrote: I mean, if the breeder doesn't health test then it is more of a crap shoot as to whether you will get a healthy long lived dog, so why not rescue. If you aren't concerned about papers then why not rescue? If you don't want to pay into the $1000's for a well bred dane, then why not rescue? Well said! I agree completely. Bev
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newlove		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1049 10/16/2008 10:12 AM	Those health tests and the breeder's time and experience are really the only reason not to rescue! We rescued Mecka and we've been very fortunate. Her raw diet has kept her strong and healthy (so far) but when we wanted another Dane, you better believe, health testing for the parents, DNA profiles and pedigreed backgrounds were absolutely essential in making an informed decision. It's worse than sad to see a dear little puppy that you've come to love so deeply have seizures, becomes crippled or even worse. One vet appointment for testing will cost more than $800 I guarantee. Save an innocent dog from a greedy person's mistakes or do your homework on the best background you can buy! My $.02. Roseann and her duo of Danes When a dog runs at you, whistle for him." - Henry David Thoreau
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Duke01222008		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 851 10/16/2008 10:23 PM	My hubby just called from work. He wanted me to check his email account. Well, without telling me, he's been looking for our 2nd dane puppy. I think he was going to surprise me but I think he got scared about doing it himself. He found it from one of the website from Florida. www.ocala4sale.com if anyone can check and tell me what you think, that will be great! www.freewebs.com/starkennels They have one harlequin female, with paper $800, without paper $600, have some nice pedigree bloodline, some imports in them too. If Doug can get a day off from his side job, we are going to try to visit. Im not sure which puppy from the puppy section though I learned that Duke's mom Gracie died right after all her puppies start eating dry foods. Owner didnt know why and didnt find out what happened to her. So Im scared that Duke might get sick later on. We've been thinking about rescue, but we decided if we are going to have animals around, we want to know the background of the dogs. If someone have time to check the this breeder, let me know what you think Maya "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms."
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sheeba		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 10/17/2008 12:43 AM	well looked at the website. one thing i noticed is that the female look a bit too skinny.(could be the way she is standing) she the mom for the newest litter. but other then that i think they are nice. if you look at starkennel website u can find links to a couple of other breeders they deal with. n you can see the differences..
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Dugan1st		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2309 10/17/2008 8:10 AM *Alison*	Maya, this breeder is a member of the GDCA and is listed on their breeder list for Georgia Buckland Kennel Alison and Major
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Duke01222008		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 858 10/17/2008 9:49 AM	Thank you guys. One more question. What is the different full registration and limited registration? Maya "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms."
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fotodanes		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 10/17/2008 10:35 AM	Duke01222008 wrote: They have one harlequin female, with paper $800, without paper $600, Just so you know, it is against AKC rules to "sell" papers. A responsible breeder does not charge more for AKC registration. All Great Dane pups should be sold with registration paperwork. Those that are to be pets should be sold on limited registration and those that are show potential & going to a home to be shown should be sold on full registration . A different amount paid should NOT be the determining factor on if a puppy is show/breeding potential. Either the dog is or isn't. And it shouldn't be up to the buyer to determine the quality/potential of a puppy. Duke01222008 wrote: have some nice pedigree bloodline, some imports in them too. Not trying to be disrespectful, but why do you say these dogs have a nice pedigree? There are not any champions up close. Champions a few generations doesn't mean much - LOTS can change in a couple generations. There is nothing wrong with imports, but they aren't necessarily better than what we have stateside either. There are good/bad dogs and breeders all over the world. I'm also not seeing any health testing results when I go to OFA's webpage . Bev
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fotodanes		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17 10/17/2008 10:37 AM	Duke01222008 wrote: Thank you guys. One more question. What is the different full registration and limited registration? Maya Full means the dog can be shown in AKC conformation events and their offspring can be registered with the AKC. Limited means the dog can not be shown in conformation and their offspring can not be registered with the AKC. These dogs can still be shown in performance events like obedience and agility. Bev
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Leshia jo		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1701 10/17/2008 1:05 PM	Im not trying to start anything here but if you look at both pedigrees there are several different colors on both the sire and dam's side. I would probably keep on looking and take a pass on this so called breeder.
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haleyheg		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 29 10/17/2008 6:16 PM	No way would I spend my money on dogs from this breeder. To put it bluntly, my poorly-bred rescue female has better conformation than that breeder's dogs. I also agree 100% with fotodanes' input on imports, etc. in her post. There's no mention of health testing or showing on the breeder's site either. You could get a rescue dog just as good or better than what this so-called breeder is breeding and for less money at that. Take a pass and keep looking. Last Edited By: haleyheg 01/07/2009 5:46 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Duke01222008		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 860 10/18/2008 11:23 AM	Thank you so much for input guys! Taking lot of note so I wont make a bad decision. I really dont know much about bloodlines and imports. I know I like American dane looks a lot than euro dane. Im going to keep searching. Doug was thinking harlequin puppy before xmas or around xmas for my xmas gift/anniversary gift in December but he couldnt really didnt know where to start so he finally told me about it. I saw the pictures and puppy was cute so I was going to jump on it. Im going to learn little bit more on buying puppy. I didnt search for great dane when I got Duke. I just know he was going to be big, and the owner was giving the puppy for free and I didnt have money at that time so I jumped on it. Duke havent had any problems and very laid back, goofy, very nice personality so I thought if I get another dane puppy from breeders who worked on dane for long time, puppy will be good. I need to get more knowledge. I live in Georgia, if anyone know some good breeders, let me know. If it in driving distance, it can be Florida and Alabama too. Maya "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms."
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newlove		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1059 10/21/2008 9:48 AM	Usually a limited registration means your puppy should be spayed or neutered so that it does not reproduce. Showing a dog in Confirmation means it is being evaluated by judges to be determined if it is worthy of breeding. Roseann and her duo of Danes When a dog runs at you, whistle for him." - Henry David Thoreau
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Duke01222008		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 886 10/21/2008 10:20 PM	I want to thank you all for your opinions. I decided not to get from her. Im going to do more and more research. I actually found 2 Great Dane breeder here in my town last night. I was told from others that there were but I couldnt find them but I found them looking at the dogbreeder info website. Im going to check them out too. One of the breeder from Florida(this is a different breeder), she said if whoever want to buy her puppy, they come with full registration, health check, genetic soundness, with excellent temperament. She ask that if new owner decide to breed the dog, she want to chose the stud or the female and want a pick of the litter. She want to be involve in the process. I havent even talk to her about getting the puppy from her. Is that normal thing for breeder to ask? Maya "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms."
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gardenreed		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 306 10/21/2008 10:23 PM	That is not uncommon in show lines, and often the breeder will only allow you to co-own with him/her until the dog is "finished," or has completed a championship in conformation. They do it to make sure that their line remains high-quality and that people aren't out there breeding awful genetic messes from their dogs.
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Duke01222008		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 887 10/21/2008 10:52 PM	I see, thank you for the information. I wanted to find out how much she is charging for her puppies and before she gave me price, she send me that email so before I write her back, I wanted to find out. This is my first time actually spending money to buy puppy so I wanted to make sure what she was talking about. I never thought there are so many thing I have to learn and study before buying a puppy. Maya "Some people dream to hold angel in their arms all their life, I held one in my arms."
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